“Sometimes, maybe occasionally you’ll know what you’re doing, but usually you just have to figure it out. In startups, you have to keep learning.” MA

Makinde displays his thoughtfulness and smarts in the fun chat. He’s such a smart guy and we could’ve talked for another hour. Makinde’s the engineering manager at Pinterest, which is the 2nd largest driver of traffic on the internet and a tech company valued over several billion dollars. On this episode, we discuss his growing up in Louisville, Kentucky, his thoughts on whether or not kids should be coding at an early age, and tips for startup growth hacking.

Makinde has done some extreme marathons, including a 50 mile race in 2012. We’ll chat briefly about that.